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(90) Antique Yale Pancake Padlock Model 1094

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  1. With the way the mechanics look (without looking at the patent as I would consider it cheating) I would think a bump key that had inward pressure and a catch to stop it from coming out when you hit the right pin set. But that still may not work. Perhaps tension the mechanism using the shackle of the lock?

  2. Surely this was a mass produced utilitarian item. I have my doubts someone hand tooled that tenure into the front surface of the lock. As now labor cost money back then. In the event it wasn't die cast, I have to belied a tool was made to impress the pattern into surface. There's a possibility that an owner of they lock hand tooled it during a time period when there was no TV to watch during long Winter evenings, after everyone in the family had memorized the contents of every mail order catalog in the home.

  3. well if you can get like a thin steel or titanium box like key you can slide little pins in and out of the lock until you got the right combination

  4. im going to get one of these ( a champion) off ebay. it comes with a key, says it works. im getting it cheap, so if it doesnt work, no big loss. but if it doesnt work, i have a video idea, i could send it to you and see if you could decode non destructively and make a key if the one that comes with it isnt the right one or even if it is as a spare. what say you bill?

  5. The way I made a key, without doing any damage was to x-Ray it from several angles. I was able to determine the differences in the cuts but not the actual depth of each on the key. I started with the shallowest cut as an uncut point and slowly filed each point a few thousandths of an inch, trying the key after each group was filed. This took roughly an hour before the lock finally piped opened. I'll dig through my boxes, I'm sure, even though that was 20 years ago, I still have the lock. PS, it helps to have a childhood friend that runs the x-Ray department at a non medical facility. I was given at least 15 x-rays to work with. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks, Sam in Florida

  6. I know you did this in 2012, and I don't know if you got it open ( the one's with out the keys ) put I would think if you had a some flat stock like the key to you one key you have cut it to the same side then sooted the end put it in cut were it had touched re-soot it until it opens could that work do you think ?.

  7. How about pick it with 6 pins from a contour gauge. Do you feel the tension get tighter when the gates are where they are suppose to be? Could you push in gates one at a time and mark depth then set it on the pins of a contour gauge? Or modify a flee comb?

  8. I'm a hacker and amateur locksmith. My parents have one of these and I played with it a lot as a kid.

    You can pick it, but you need patience and a custom pick that would work as follows.

    Six strips of metal bound together such as to imitate a key, but movable and clampable. Your saving grace here is that these keys and this mechanism are not "precise in the modern sense. I picked my parents' lock with a pin set that worked like this except I had to adjust 2 pins for every lock strip. I found out that my pick actually wasn't really that close to the key but it worked.

    You have to figure that they had 6 pins and probably only four depth positions (probably six but it was not machined well enough to make the difference. So realistically if you mark off your pins, you will only have a func(base 4)6! number of combinations.

    This is a crazy small number. If you get your tooling right you can do it in an hour.

  9. I would approach the lock with a six pin parallel sliding (lockable depth) comb, then at least you could lift all six levers in unison and be able to adjust crown heights independently per stroke. The (key comb) would be self setting and an impression could be obtained easily once sequence has been discovered. To your knowledge @bosnianbill are there any counter-measures deployed on any of the levers?

  10. Create a six pin adjustable shim "shaft", vice it, impression the key that way.. Assuming you can feel the pins move and set, each sub-shaft can be locked in place with a small nut or some other clever way of tension.

  11. If the internals are like the picture linked by Sven Schumacher, I would think that picking should not be too hard if one could get a pair of picks into the lock, since there don't appear to be any false gates. Try all twenty combinations of pushing one lever as far as it will go while slowly pushing and releasing the other; at least one of the combinations should offer a false set. If a combination yields a false set, keep tension on the first lever while continuing to try all the others (including revisiting the levers already tried with that tensioning lever). I'm sure the feel would be very different from a pin-tumbler lock, and one would need stiffer picks than one normally uses, but the generous keyway should make it possible to use thicker picks than would be possible with many pin-tumbler locks.

  12. I don't think that the dimples were hand-formed. It looks like the whole thing was cast into a mold with the dimpling done once at when the mold was created. The machining along the edge wasn't turned for aesthetics or artistry, but to smooth out the rough casting.

  13. I saw these locks on ebay and just loved the look of them…ended up with four and none had a key. Its not to hard to make a key for them but picking is not going to happen. To make a key you measure from the outside of the lock body down to the cutout in each lever. Once you know the measure to each cutout its simple to make your key so when its pushed in it lines up all the cutouts in one line and the locking bar can move into them. And bang the lock opens !!

  14. Why not make a skeleton key jig? Machine a grove in a piece of metal, cut 6 small strips that all fit in your groove, graduate the strips so you can track your adjustments, adjust your 'teeth' to depth, then clamp the whole thing. instant key/decoder

  15. I guess the only way to get into a lot like this is using some kind of impressioning technique, step by step until the combination is reached. Brute force (make a large combination of tryout keys…) is the only other way offhand…

    Or a specialty tool of some kind with sliding actuators… wow, what a nightmare.

  16. So the only way is to make a key, right?
    Is it possible to make an adjustable key? Like with tiny screws, pistons or something?
    I have a design in my head, but you'd need precision tools and strong materials to make this tool.

  17. I don't think accuracy is so important. i think if you made 24 keys with the different combinations with 4 depths you would be able to open at least one of the 3 locks you don't have a key for. Mainly because the key looks like it's not the same fit as when it was new and still works.

  18. Bill
    With some persistence (and luck) I have found enough gold jewelry ,silver and clad to pay for my 600 dollar detector and batteries! Gold also keeps the wife happy! lol
    The lock is sporting a green patina and I am on the fence about weather to polish it or leave it alone?
    it is a beautiful and well made lock…

    thanks!

    have a great day!

  19. Bill I found a lock like this Metal detecting today. can you give me an approximate date they where made? Mine was found with a nice green Patina on it in the open position. After spraying the tumblers with WD40 i got the lock to move and now it is in the locked position…LOL
    thanks great video!

    Mike

  20. There is no way you could use impression foil at the end of a flat piece of metal similar shape of the key?

    Might need to make a specific pick for this that has a thin housing that holds all the picks in line with the pins and push to the different depths

  21. I made a key for one of these at work a couple weeks back. I used a flat projection key blank, thinned it a little to fit the hole, I tried impressioning first, without much luck, but I did get the Spacing from it. I then made a tool out of a nail with 2 depths, with the hopes that it would make picking it easier and I managed to get a couple levers to stick which made it a lot easier to impression. Once these locks are open, they're so easy to make keys for. It's just getting them open that's tricky.

  22. take a soft metal like pewter make a flat top key and push in wiggle a little
    then pull out and see ok thats the shortest gate and file it down slightly and go again
    rinse repeat

  23. If you have not picked this lock yet… why not make a similar device as the key you have with the exception of movable feelers so as to set them with a pressure hold like a piece of metal with your thumb etc. This way able to manipulate at different depths till you gain the aaccess needed and thus can practice on the lock you have the key for to see if there is more or less tension to feel as you get to the right point with ech lever.

  24. I do believe now there is a special x-ray machine designed to see through metal.  I saw it on a science channel or in science news or magazine or something can't quite remember.  Might be your best bet but I would imagine that would be quite costly to do but it might work, maybe?

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