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(1025) RARE Hines Key System (Thanks DanBai123!)


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  1. I had the same thought as a couple others. Wouldn’t it be possible to pick as long as you pick to the wafers shear line and not just the driver pin shear line? As long as the wafers are set you should be able to pick correct?

  2. Who ever came with the brilliant ideas should get the rewards for the best security. I am going to do the same thing.

  3. This would be a great second lock on a door as long as the building had two entrances. If/when someone tries to enter without a key you would know, and with the second entrance, at least you would be able to remove the lock from the door and reset it like you did.
    Great idea for preventing bumping the locks.

  4. so does that mean that you could disable a lock with a trap pin of this kind just by using a tensioner to quarter turn the lock?, surely that could leave a lock owner with a potential big problem of being nobbled by lock outs?

  5. you should be able to "doubbel pick" those 3 pins and just like a cerated pin get an "extra click" out of that "master wafer" on those 3 pins before juh actually turn the lock.

  6. Quick question on operation – when using the correct key does it set the wafers against the core so that the bible pins dont activate the alien tech? Is it at all possible to pick it (though maybe unlikely) by setting the wafers in the right position?

  7. Just a thought, could you use a plug spinner on the core after you have it picked to try and rotate the core so fast that the trap pins would not engage with the cutouts?

  8. Just to be sure I understand 100% how this works. The problem is that you have multiple shear lines at those trap pins created by the wafers… so if you take the first shear line, the wafer stays in the plug and doesn't cover up the end of he pins, right?
    So if you know about those locks, you could try to take the second shear line for the middle pins – you'll probably have to find the binding order of those middle pins, by having them fall down multiple times, but it should be possible, right? Given enough time and skill and the knowledge of the mechanism

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