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(396) VAN High Security Cam Lock Picked w/Opening Tips

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  1. Once you pick it the first time, before it clicks back into lock position I would take calipers or even a piece of wire, and measure the depth of each pin, then just make a quick key with some wire and a piece of wood.

  2. This lock appears similar to the xpuzmag you picked. It almost feels like its main defense is exotic design, but these almost seem like great beginner locks since you can see all the pins as you set them.

  3. how about putting some short metal rods in those pinholes while keeping the wrench there and having some kind of small mold you would put around those rods and wrench, then you could fill the mold with hot wax so it would keep everything together and you made yourself a cheap replica of the key which would be easily and quickly made. It would work but it would be too fragile to open the lock with so I would keep that wrench in there so you can actually still turn it.
    Or you could just hotglue those pins into place :D

  4. I have a lock that I haven't seen you pick yet. it has a small pin in the keyway also it looks like it has pins on one side and some sort of roller on the other side. It's made by chicago lock co. It says H2656 on the tumbler, as well as on the key. i can post a picture

  5. Question from a total newbie. This looks safer than the usual tumbler mechanism we use for doors even though the key looks like a toy. I mean it has taken you 3-4 minutes to pick it and you say it needs to be picked at least 2 times more, right?
    Plus you need to create that gap first in order to be able to apply the tension. So that means having a power tool. So why aren't we using this for our homes?

  6. Total random idea. I don't know anything about picking locks, but wondering if you could use some sort of modeling clay or silly putty or something once it's picked the 1st time, and putting it into the holes carefully then a glob on top to hold them all in place for the other 2 stops.

    BTW, your videos are very interesting and fun to watch while I am working. :)

  7. Lock for stupid vending machine is much harder to pick that a lot of "high security" padlocks… Pretty funny if you ask me…

  8. I always wonder how they work, one time I had key for it, but those pins where so similar in high that I always though that they are just standard pins put in rounded key, and one key is for every vending machine  -_-
    Back then I didnt know too much about locks so it took me some time before I realize that I was wrong :D

  9. Looks like once it's picked and rotated between the 1st and 2nd positions, maybe you could mix up some quick drying silicone putty, smush it into the lock face, let it cure, and produce a silicone version of the key for measurement, metal casting, etc. Does that sound plausible?

  10. Rather than leave evidence of entry after watching your video several times I decided it would be interesting to try super glueing a tension wrench to the front of the lock. It could be dissolved off later with acetone…no evidence. 

  11. The original Vanlock (with only 1 shear line per pin) is much, much harder to pick than the Vanamatic by the way. It has slightly smaller spacings between the pins (so one key won't fit the other type). You can tell as soon as you set the 1st pin that it will pick (and quite easily) with the Vanamatic. By the way, there is a 0 pin height for these, so the pin does not get depressed at all. You can take the zero height pins out of the key and it will still work.

  12. I have a Vanlock Pick and Form Opening System. It picks and gives you a working key for the lock non-destructively. It is basically a fancy tensioner which tensions by using one of the pin chambers. Then as you set pins you read off their depth and insert a pin of suitable size. Once you have done this the original chamber used to tension can be released, picked, read and have its own pin of the correct size inserted.

    From how the lock in the video behaved and by looking at the thickness of the rim, this looks like it might be a Vanamatic lock. By that I mean it is field re-keyable and each chamber will have several shear lines. This can be tested by picking it again but trying to set 1 (or more) of the pins to a different depth. If you can do this then you know each pin has multiple shear lines and is therefore a Vanamatic.

  13. I work at home depot so when I see some of your unique locks picked, kinda visualize what I have seen around the store and how it could be applied as a makeshift lock pick. Seems like you could take a tubular-like attack on this to lower the time per pick. Simple short metal tube or wood pole alittle smaller in size of the cylinder, 7 paper clip ends positioned at the end held by rubber bands so you can adjust easily but still hold them in place when applying force. Also if said idea did works you might get lucky and skip a pick attempt or two if held with same force as your turning from the first successful pick. Low tech I know but low tech works some times.

  14. You are a great sport Bill, glad my comment sparked some discussion. I'm no expert on these locks, the ones I have open with three rotations but I am happy to believe that there are some that need an extra pick if that's what you have, I have no reason to doubt you.

  15. If I needed a key to break out of jail, or get access to something valuable, like your lock collection, it might be worth the time & effort… To accomplish what you are suggesting would take a lot of time – hardly worth the effort if the locks are so easy to pick. However…. what about a bump key? Hmmmmm….

  16. Bill: Once you have the lock picked the first time, how about using a depth gauge to measure each pin and then print yourself a key on your super-expensive pinning tray maker? If the plastic isn't quite up to the torque, you might could replace one or two of the nubs with metal dowels. That could be a pretty sweet project, eh? Cheers, buddy.

  17. Could this be used on a house door? Seems safer than most locks. Please don't be angry of for what I just said, not experienced is this sort of things….

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