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(619) Michael DeRose’s Challenge CES


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  1. Bosnianbill,
    Thank you for all your videos !!
    I wished I had watched more before trying to pick my first lock —- I have an American Lock A1100 which I used waaaayyyy too heavy of a hand on the tension and have trashed the serrated pins ! Can you tell me where to buy new pins that will fit the 1100 so I can rehabilitate this poor puppy ?
    Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

  2. There are alot of CES Profile cylinders here in Colorado. They are SC kwy. A little known fact is in the older ones that there is a tiny slit under the thumb turn and that hides a  retention pin on the inside side of the lock that must be depressed using a thin pick to allow the rotating lever to line up with the rest of the cylinder to install and remove the lock from the housing in the door.

  3. I'm in a bit of a pickle, I received a lock and was asked to pick it when I started I noticed it has no springs , it's proving very difficult any suggestions? 

  4. Ever since I was a kid I wanted to learn how to pick a lock and I just happened to come across one of your videos a about a week ago and have watched almost half of your videos since then. I was looking for something to tinker with in my spare time but am having trouble finding picks on ebay or amazon. Any ideas where I can find a cheaper set to get started?

  5. Hey bill! Great video as usual, im always checking for new material from you … I hear a 3D printer in the background! What model do you have, and did you build it yourself?

  6. Great work. I have a couple of those CES cylinders, I think they are from Wayne.
    In his latest video he recommends using a piece of screen spline to hold the top pins when the plastic retainer breaks.

  7. Excellent picking as usual Bill, Michael and Flywheel's pins are nasty bits of gear. They are obviously graunchy, catchy, and all those things you expect of course. However you could have tipped out the CES key pins – would have loved to see them as well … Regards, Brian.

  8. bill… your a better picker than i'll ever be and I'm a 'locksmith"… so that being said ,if its even worthy… I challenge you to pick one outside your comfort zone not on a vise but on an actual door with a high quality lock….. don't even have to be a door but a slab of wood or something!!!!!!!!!!      lol

  9. I'd love to get one of the easier challenge locks, i've gotten to the point where i can get through spools pretty consistently on some cheaper locks. 

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