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(739) Sometimes Stinkin’ Keys ARE Needed…


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  1. This makes me remember something I am seeing lately, what face of a Philips style keylock(the ones with 4 sets of pins in a shape similar to the named screwdriver)?

  2. Engineering at it's finest. every. single. lock. But especially the +Texas Jim lock because usually those floating pin locks are not assembled so cleanly. Beautiful stuff.

  3. Bill, I hate to say it but I'm sort of glad you weren't able to pick that lock by "Texas Jim" with the floating pins. Sorry to say that. But, I saw those evil things and my jaw hit the floor. I literally said out loud, "WHAT are those?!" I've never seen anything like that before. The full compliment of serrated pins was bad enough but those evil floating pins, wow. My immediate thought was, I'll NEVER be able to pick a lock like that. Quite honestly, I think if you would have picked that open on camera (even though your skills far out pace mine) I would have just been so frustrated that I would have thrown my meager collection of picks away and gave up picking.

  4. Is it possible to create a key for an existing lock without removing and disassembling the lock? To add to my skillset: I've picked a lock with, I believe, 2 security pins, a couple times now. Turning it the wrong direction allows the barrel to spin easily, but the security pins bite in the correct direction. I'm wondering, if, when the barrel is free to rotate in the wrong direction, then the pins in the core are just resting (at the bottom, not top). Would it be possible to get their positions and re-create a key from this somehow?

  5. NICE! so you did get it open! Took you long enough 😛 I expect to see that everest gutted soon. Really cool to show pictures of other people's designs. :D

  6. Seems to me these modifications could be made to cheap locks to vastly improve their security. What kind of tools would you recommend for making those kinds of serrated cuts? Dremel?

  7. omg i know my local lock smith has trouble to open Yale lock on my front door, he told the police them yale locks mess him up. some thing about the very end tip of the key, that extra little notch. well any how, the police, when they want to enter a place and leave no evidence of forced entry. they call this lock smith. and he will open the place for them with no search warrant. then leave and lock the door back up. i just wish i had them all on video for that. they will plant drugs in a persons house or just go for a look if they have anonymous tip. the police in my city have been in trouble over this kind of thing for over 20 years now, but they never get fired. so this video about your friends lock is really cool and i do understand the how and why it works, me, 29 years auto repair and many car locks later. about 10 years ago i was in his office and he told me, if you never want a person to pick your house door lock get the yale, hahaha and i did just that. ooh by the way, my city is springfield illinois. and he is the top rated lock smith for the city and he is on the city call list. i know he did some thing very illegal and i do not want to cause him harm, even thou he tried to do it to me. i use his lock service for when i need some thing done on the cars i work on, he has no clue that he tried to break into my house. he didnt know where i live.

  8. all very nice but the question I think of is how many times is the lock good for before the key is no help, and all that mill work would make it weaker and easier to twist open with screw driver. This seems to me, just an exercise in tying a Gordian knot and we know how that problem was solved by Alexander.

  9. That first one looked like an original Sargent Mortise cylinder. If six chambers are loaded, they're already hard enough to pick the tolerance is so high. Especially if there in a 10 bottom in there, the driver has to be chance just to handle such a tall pin. Hell, these cylinders are hard enough even to shim without tricking them up. In the real world these exist for master key systems, not high security.

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